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  • Leonardo Falcioni
    Participant
    @leonardo
    #760

    @carlos Exactly. Big Data is a tool. How to use it is our decision to make. Like every other tool it can be used in different ways.

    Riccardo Ferrero Regis
    Participant
    @foreversin
    #761

    Hello everyone!!

    I’m Riccardo and I am really excited about this Project!

    As you all already said the use of Big Data is a double-edged sword. You have already pointed out a lots of negative aspects about this,and I wanted to focus on the positive aspects a bit more.
    A lot of things are used in bad way, it’s up to us using them in the right way,and, for me, using personal data for political reason is as bad as fascinating(i know it sounds strange).

    This could simplify our life by only getting ads that we really care about. With the upcoming arrival of Amazon Go think about going into a store and being able to find what you are looking for in few minutes and not forgetting anything thanks to the suggestions that come from your online traffic. And those Data will become more and more accurate.
    @Leonardo you asked about personal data in other states. Quote from the article “European privacy laws require a person to “opt in” to a release of data”.

    I found this after a little research :
    https://secure.edps.europa.eu/EDPSWEB/edps/Consultation/big_data

    Leonardo Falcioni
    Participant
    @leonardo
    #762

    @riccardo Thanks for your answare and for the link. I’ll give it a better look when I can. From what I could grasp there are still uncertainties about correct laws regulating Big Data and it’s use. But the article states that it is a serious concerning for governments, so I hope it will be handled with great care.

    About Amazon go, I just recently came across this project, and I am really looking forward to seeing what that future will bring us. Big Data can surely help in this.

    But apart from Amazon Go, Big Data can be used for all kinds of economic purposes. For instance, if a company would like to know what kind of consumers could prefer what type of products the company has to offer, it could help a lot, for both ends.

    Lorenzo Bersano
    Participant
    @lorenzobersano
    #763

    I knew that very active online Trump supporters used boards like Reddit or 4chan to influence a vast slice of voters in the USA, but I didn’t know how much Big Data was used to influence elections or mass decisions in general, so I found this article really interesting, maybe a little bit catastrophic and dystopic in my opinion.

    As someone said before, I think that a critical eye and some time is enough to avoid this problem, for now. It takes a really short time to unveil fake news or to discover if some part of a video or of a declaration was taken out of context to manipulate your opinion. However, as everyone said in this thread before, Big Data can be a really useful instrument or a really dangerous weapon and, if you ask me, I prefer seeing it in the first way.

    For example, if you take a look at this http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/google-s-new-translation-software-powered-brainlike-artificial-intelligence it shows that, in combination with deep learning and neural networks, it can be a revolutionary and extremely useful tool.

    Leonardo Falcioni
    Participant
    @leonardo
    #764

    @lorenzo  The article was interesting and, about machine learning and big data, I found interesting this  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-canton/from-big-data-to-artifici_b_10817892.html

    It’s not very specific, but gives an idea of what may society be evolving into. And I’m not saying this in a pessimistic way. There are a lot of benefits we can gain.

    Regarding the article you linked, I think communication is another important problem in human relations. The use of big data (vectors for the words in this particular case) can surely prove useful. Of course, this is something completely unrelated to social and individual analysis and suggestion. But that shows just how many facets (positive and negative) there can be about this topic.

     

     

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    Riccardo Ferrero Regis
    Participant
    @foreversin
    #766

    @dugongo21 I’m very interested about this topic, a Basic income for everyone. The Finland is also trying something like that right now as you can see here :

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/03/finland-trials-basic-income-for-unemployed

     

    This is the right way to handle the upcoming robot era. But i think we are moving too much away from the topic suggest by @paolomarenco so let’s try to stick to it and maybe wait him to join us.

    Carlos
    Participant
    @carlosfilho
    #767

    I think an interesting thing to do is to think: if you had the opportunity to use big data analysis, what would you use that data for? I mean, we already saw that it can be used to manipulate thoughts through aimed publicity, or to provide personalised services (like for Amazon and others). If we take our time, can we find some other use for it (even if it seems far from reality or something that could be impossible)? I’ll sleep over it and maybe tomorrow I’ll have some ideas… What do you think guys? 😁

    Leonardo Falcioni
    Participant
    @leonardo
    #768

    @carlos That is a very interesting and important question. I had some thought about it, and something that came to mind is schooling. I mean, we all probably thought at least once in our life that the school system had some flaws, mainly because every student is different and has different ways to learn. Using Big Data, maybe this problem can be solved with an algorithm that is able to detect a person’s way to learn and his possible talents, what he is good and bad at, and the teaching system can adapt to that. I mean, it’s pretty far fetched but it could improve greatly our society. Or at least, that’s what I think.

    This could also apply to other areas. For instance, if I am a company with a system that can tell me what my employees excel at, I could assign them to precise tasks. This could improve the company’s profit and also the worker’s condition.

    Fabio Ceresa
    Participant
    @fabioceresa
    #769

    Hi guys, I’m Fabio and I find this topic very interesting…So, speaking about the use of Big Data in school to help in finding new ways of learning/teaching, could this be considered a form of discrimination beginning in early age? Could a child’s mind be influenced by this division between “good and bad”?

    Carlos
    Participant
    @carlosfilho
    #770

    A School like that would be optimal I think… But probably it should be automatized, because it’s impossible to teachers to adapt to 20/30 people in the same class with different learning needs… I think it would be great if each student could have his scholar path adapted to his interests and needs…

    About the employees, that looks like an optimal use of big data… Finding in what tasks the employees excels would really improve a company’s and employees performance… Also because maybe if an employee excels in a certain type of task, maybe it’s the task he likes the most and is more propense to give his best in that way (or maybe not)…

    We need to keep in mind the human factor… Maybe through big data we can see if an employee excels in a certain type of task, but maybe if they are good at it but like their position, if we change it his performance could get worst… Maybe I can look like a pessimist, but I like to try to find many possible outcomes from every situation 😁

    Now another question came to my mind: big data can be use to analyze a person behaviour and interests… But can it be used to study what a person could do? I mean, can big data say if you can be a teacher or an engineer? Big data can show all of my interests, and maybe what I’m gifted at, but can it decide which would be the best work for me? And doing so, aren’t we losing a thing called experience? The so called “if plan A doesn’t work, the alphabet has other 25 more letters” 😁

    Carlos
    Participant
    @carlosfilho
    #771

    @Fabio I don’t think it’s a discrimination between good and bad, but a path of study based on a kids interest… Obviously not in early ages where they still don’t use social media or kinds of tech that would allow data gathering about them… But maybe when they are about to start mid school, or also if data is gather through their early school days, they can have a path based on their interests. We were not thinking about a division between good and bad but in what the student is interested at… We should just pay attention that students change idea very often, and that also can influence badly the use of big data to a personalized study path…

    Leonardo Falcioni
    Participant
    @leonardo
    #772

    @fabio It could certainly happen if the teaching method is done in the wrong way. It could teach students that they will only be good at a certein job or task, and they don’t have to try new things. But that I believe depends on the system adopted.

    @carlos I agree with you, there is also the human factor to take into consideration. Also, the possibility of experience is something that, in a possible society, can be lost. I think, as I said from the very start, that the use of Big Data can lead to perfection or destruction of society. It depends on how we use what we have.

    I must say, both topics are interesting to discuss, and I’m happy to see where this is going.

    Paolo Marenco
    Keymaster
    @paolomarenco
    #773

    Good thinking guys…and thks for the Guardian link ( I support this great UK online news).

    I think that internet helped in an enormous way the globalization with global consequences just at the real begininning. New jobs and cancellation of jobs, I think is really the first one cause the impact to our concrete life. Social network is a great tool: we just have to be aware how we approach to: better is to be always politically correct but the reality is that in Social Network we put our face, feeling , behaviour. The way We are! So it’s very easy to profile us with big data tool. Difficult to stop the cons and have only the pros: important is be aware of the virtual square- with many observers- where we all now live.

    Keep in mind your reputation…is made by yourself with your acts ant talks

    Leonardo Falcioni
    Participant
    @leonardo
    #774

    @paolo That’s right. Nowadays what we are on the web and outside of it are becoming the same. That’s why people should learn to behave even on the web, since the idea of an alternate identity is declining and with Big Data is getting easier and easier to figure out who stands behind the keyboard.

    Internet in now an essential side of our life.

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