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  • Marcus Vukojevic
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    #3799

    Hey @michelebaldo nice hearing form you! I personally use DuckDuckGo just because they don’t keep track about everything that I click. But when it comes to details (as you said) Google is winning whitout any doubt. if you need to translate something you dont go to D.D.Go, you just use Google right? I didn’t know about the “filter bubble”, those articles where very interesting!

    But what if Google had access to all our data? What could happen? I’m taking as an example China. They’re tracking every person that lives in there, and by machine learning and face recognition they can prevent robberies, rapes and murders. Isn’t that great? I think that there are endless possibilities combining Big Data and the Public Sector. Our society could be a better place. They are using this tecnology just because is the government that has insterest in collecting this data (and because they are a “democracy”). They know which person is “dangerous” for the society and “correct” their behaviour through some penalties, such as paying more taxes and the withdrawal of the passport. Maybe this methods are wrong, maybe they are not politically correct but are showing us that this method is effective!

    So, could this method be applied to our society? Of course not, we are willing to protect our privacy and at the same time we are using Google services. Isn’t this nonsense? Please let me know what do you think about it! Do you think that, if there’s our Government that is managing our personal data, can we trust them? Is China doing it right?

    Happy Easter to all of you! 🙂

    Marcus Vukojevic
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    @marcusvukoejvic
    #3780

    Wow! Thanks Stefania, a really nice topic!

    I’ll start by saying that in this century data is the most valuable currency that we have, and we give it for free in exchange of cute cats videos. Is this really worth it?

    Everything that we do, say or buy is translated into bits that are saved into big datacenters and analyzed. As @michelebaldo said in the previous post, this data is the used to improve the service from both parts: from a company perspective our data will give a competitive advantage, and from our side we’ll get a better user experience and personalized ads.

    I think that in this case there’s a good and a bad side:

    From the positive part, there’s this example on how google searches are used to monitor illnesses around the world. They basically analyzed how many searches where done in a particular period of time, and if the search was the symptom of a particular disease they would know exactly where it started and inform in the quikest way as the public institutes. But what if this possible desease is from an under developed country? There’s an example how they track Dengue (transported by mosquitoes) and informed the local government(1, 2). As another example, imagine if some company(or goverment) had all your genome data (even your parent’s) and doctors could use this data to provide a customizable drug for curing your desease. Every human body acts differently when using clinical drugs, maybe customizing them will improve the efficency and save more lives.

    So here i just provided some examples, but the point is that there are INFINITE applications when all the data is freely used. Everyone can benefit from this, and the quality of life would be much higher. But why are we not still there? The answer could be that the system itself cannot allow such a thing.People are not providing freely their data because they don’t trust the companies. We know that our data is used everyday to train some artificial intelligence, or sold to somebody. Is this really right? Do they ask us if we what allow this? Yes, but when you deny, the service will not work(or they track us anyway). What could be the solution? A lot of people are using new platforms that allow users to have control of their data whitout selling them to someone else. An example could be the Browser DuckDuckGo, that is not tracking everything you click on the display. A lot of people that i know are using it, and the company is making money through ads and donations. Furthermore exists some extreme solutions to the data problem. A lot of people are using the deep web for the everyday life. If you need anonymity the deep web is the perfect place for you. Is the same as the browser that we use everyday but is decentralized, so no one owns it and no one regulates it. A lot of tech companies realized that a lot of their users are not willing to share their data, so they also provide a service in the deep web. Facebook for example has his own page there! (i’ll put here a link for a really nice Ted talk about this topic)

    But i think that what we really miss is trust in companies and the government. If we have trust, maybe we can see ourselves in the first scenario. If the system is fair to every player than you really don’t care what happens to your data because you know that are used for the good of humanity. But at the moment i cannot see anything like this. Big companies earn billion of dollars every year for exchanging and using our data, do we get our part in cash or cat videos?

    At this moment we have no options. We feed the big tech monsters or we dont. But this is our choice.

    What do you think? Do you trust Google or not? Do you care about your data?  What do you think could be some possiblle solutions? I’m really curious how you will reply, because the answer could be different for each one of us 🙂

     

    Marcus Vukojevic
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    @marcusvukoejvic
    #3743

    Hey @andrea-guccione , i would like to answer michele’s post first and then to yours.

    So @michelebaldo , I quoted tesla’s stock from 2014 just because i think that before model 3, tesla’s vehicles weren’t for the public mass (and we can all agree on this). Tesla announced the model 3 in 2016, in a week they revealed that there where 325,000 reservations for the car with a potential revenue over US$14 billion. So the mood was positive, investors where happy, the share price was increasing and was all good. But then production problem started to arise. Musk couldn’t produce enough cars (by august 2017 the reservations where around 500K) because of some problems in the pipeline production. Tesla’s factory is one of the most technological on the planet, and even Musk said that this could lead to seriuos problems and that they should hire more humans(is he one?). Passed the “production crisis” they moved on a “delivery crisis”. People now where angry because of the missed delivery. Investors and the market where afraid the Musk couldn’t deliver such a number of cars in time affecting the total revenue from the sales(link). And from that point Tesla’s stock began going down: from 383.5(the peak) they’ve lost almoust a 28% value.

    So yes, i agree with you that the Tweets are correlated in a way with Tesla’s stock price. But i don’t think that they are the major factor of loss. Maybe is the fact that half a million people have not received their car in time! Tell me your thoughts about this!

    So thank you @andrea-guccione for the interesting topic! As computer scientists this is a really hot topic for us.

    Yes AV’s will change the world as we know it now. If you haven’t read it, i suggest you guys to read Homo Deus from Yuval Noah Harari that is focusing on describing how our world will be in the future bringing examples from algorithms, AI and of course AV’s. So there are around 1.5 billion vehicles in the world, damaging the athmosphere and encreasing our environmental footprint. So imagine a scenario where you take your car and you would like to go to the university. What happens during the process? You drive your car, you park it and that’s it right? The car just sits in the parking and does nothing. In a AV scenario your car will no longer sit in the parking, but will move and drive other people around. You’ll no longer own your car in a way. So yeah, less smog, less cars, more recources, we win. I think that now the price is affordable: it doesn’t cost as an app from the app store, but the price is aroud 3K euros/dollars and is reasonable knowing that this software will drive you around(link). So yes, the advent of AV’s will defenitly change the market and the world in a positive way.

    But from AV’s car arise some serious problems. If you don’t know there’s a mental experiment called the trolley problem that goes like this: You see a runaway trolley speeding down the tracks, about to hit and kill five people. You have access to a lever that could switch the trolley to a different track, where a different person would meet an untimely demise. Should you pull the lever and end one life to spare five? And what should do an AV’s? I’ll link you guys the article from MIT that will explain what they found. But this case is just one of many. How can an algorithm now what is right or wrong? Even we struggle with finding a common answer to this. So yeah the AV’s industry is not ready yet to take over the market, and we need to control it in order to make it 100% safe.

    What do you think about the moral problem? Should the car kill 1 or 5 people?

    Marcus Vukojevic
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    @marcusvukoejvic
    #3695

    So @michelebaldo thank you very much, by tagging me I noticed that i misspelled my surname ahah.

    I totally agree that the role of a leader/CEO is pretty serious. His employees are vulnerable and they depend on Elon’s actions and that he should follow the “rules of the game”.

    But I don’t think that the loss in share price is due to bad Twetts. Since February 2014 the total share price has grown by just 7.44% (in five years!! link), how is this possible? Maybe there is a deeper problem concerning Tesla, than Elon’s silly Tweets!

    Maybe Tesla’s cars are overpriced. I mean…for Italy at least, the cheapest product that you can buy costs 70K(the basic model). How can you sustain all the costs (talking as a company) that you have, when just a small portion of the market is willing to pay for the product? I get that, all his costumers are willing to pay(and they have the chance to do so), but by going public you need at least a product for the middle class. So what they did? They cutted the price on some of the models(link), now we’ll see how the market will answer.

    But another perspective, the market is too narrow. How many direct competitors do they have?BMW? Just for the Model 3. Maybe Faraday Future can compete(link).

    So what did they do for solving this issue?

    They are trying to put their own tecnology opensource, so there will be the possibility that new companies will arise from the darkness and compete with the giant (link). As we like so much the similarities with the cakes…They’re trying to eat the the same percentage but from a bigger cake, and I think that this is really a great strategy. They are showing us how much they fell confident about winning even if there will be more people working on the same direction. Good job Tesla!

    Marcus Vukojevic
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    @marcusvukoejvic
    #3678

    Hey, I noticed that i accidentally posted 3 times the same thing ahaha, because i was trying to delete the HTML tags in the text(the last one is the correct one). Does someone know how to delete them? Maybe @paolomarenco or @lucabaldessarini can help me! Thank you very much.

    Marcus Vukojevic
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    @marcusvukoejvic
    #3655

    Hi guys! Nice meeting you. I’m new here so I’ll start by introducing myself a little bit. My name is Marcus Vukojevic and (as @michelebaldo) I study Computer Science and attend the School of Innovation. I’m a problem solver, so I like creating new ideas or products that can benefit people lives. I did many entrepreneurial projects and i’m very hungry to do more and more of this stuff!! So i took part at Startify7 in Poland and won the Nasa World Wind Challenge in the same year(Link if you are curious http://www.startify7.eu/ , https://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/). Then last year i participated at the Start-Up Lab in Trento(really great experience, give it a try!) and now i’m currently involved in the School of Innovation and a project from “Fondazione Homo Ex Machina”.

    So why am i here? I want to participate because i think that this is the best opportunity to expand my network and get a “first league” experience by learning how and what the BIG players of the market are doing. I want to make new friends, compare new ideas and thoughts for a better future! Do i have the money for this adventure? Of course not. Do i really want to go? I’ll go even if i have to swim across the Atlantic Ocean!

    Done with introductions, and if you are interested or you have any question/ideas, i’ll leave you here my LinkedIn profile, https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcus-vukojevic/

    So about the article, i think that Musk is one of the most powerful icons of our generation, and as such he has to maintain a certain profile. So everything that he’s done so far is because at the end we’ll get a certain image of him. For us he’s the crazy entrepreneur that is willing to sacrifice everything he has for the sake of his vision, he doesn’t care about the rules , he’s the dreamer that against all odds reached Mars with one of his cars. So what is the result? You can trust him! You can believe in him and his vision, and this will lead to acquire new potential costumers everyday with his silly tweets(zero cost). So as @michelebaldo said “the only thing that matters is that people talk about you” I think in this case really true! But at the same time, Musk by going public has to follow the rules, otherwise there’s no point of doing them right? He cannot do whatever he wants but at the same time what you gonna do if he doesn’t follow the agreement? Fire Elon Musk? You cannot fire the “company”…

    So going private or stay public? Mah, I think that staying public is the best choice. As you said @andrea-guccione there’s no doubt that going public has enourmous risk/costs to maintain, but i still think that staying public is the best choice. You have the majority… By giving some part of the cake to the public you can control the company a lot easier(and not discussing with every VC’s that has a share) don’t you think? The price of the shares are going up and down(expetially when Musk uses Twitter haha) but at the end the price is still rising, so both parties are winning. Why changing?

    Marcus Vukojevic
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    @marcusvukoejvic
    #3654

    Hi guys! Nice meeting you. I’m new here so I’ll start by introducing myself a little bit. My name is Marcus Vukojevic and (as @michelebaldo) I study Computer Science and attend the School of Innovation. I’m a problem solver, so I like creating new ideas or products that can benefit people lives. I did many entrepreneurial projects and i’m very hungry to do more and more of this stuff!! So i took part at Startify7 in Poland and won the Nasa World Wind Challenge in the same year(Link if you are curious http://www.startify7.eu/ , https://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/). Then last year i participated at the Start-Up Lab in Trento(really great experience, give it a try!) and now i’m currently involved in the School of Innovation and a project from “Fondazione Homo Ex Machina”.

    So why am i here? I want to participate because i think that this is the best opportunity to expand my network and get a “first league” experience by learning how and what the BIG players of the market are doing. I want to make new friends, compare new ideas and thoughts for a better future! Do i have the money for this adventure? Of course not. Do i really want to go? I’ll go even if i have to swim across the Atlantic Ocean!

    Done with introductions, and if you are interested or you have any question/ideas, i’ll leave you here my LinkedIn profile, https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcus-vukojevic/

    So about the article, i think that Musk is one of the most powerful icons of our generation, and as such he has to maintain a certain profile. So everything that he’s done so far is because at the end we’ll get a certain image of him. For us he’s the crazy entrepreneur that is willing to sacrifice everything he has for the sake of his vision, he doesn’t care about the rules , he’s the dreamer that against all odds reached Mars with one of his cars. So what is the result? You can trust him! You can believe in him and his vision, and this will lead to acquire new potential costumers everyday with his silly tweets(zero cos<span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>t</span>). So as @michelebaldo said “the only thing that matters is that people talk about you” I think in this case really true! But at the same time, Musk by going public has to follow the rules, otherwise there’s no point of doing them right? He cannot do whatever he wants but at the same time what you gonna do if he doesn’t follow the agreement? Fire Elon Musk? You cannot fire the “company”…

    So going private or stay public? Mah, I think that staying public is the best choice.<span class=”handle-sign”>@</span>andrea-guccione there’s no doubt that going public has enourmous risk/costs to maintain, but i still think that staying public is the best choice. You have the majority… By giving some part of the cake to the public you can control the company a lot easier(and not discussing with every VC’s that has a share) don’t you think? The price of the shares are going up and down(expetially when Musk uses Twitter haha) but at the end the price is still rising, so both parties are winning. Why changing?

    Marcus Vukojevic
    Participant
    @marcusvukoejvic
    #3653

    Hi guys! Nice meeting you. I’m new here so I’ll start by introducing myself a little bit. My name is Marcus Vukojevic and (as @michelebaldo) I study Computer Science and attend the School of Innovation. I’m a problem solver, so I like creating new ideas or products that can benefit people lives. I did many entrepreneurial projects and i’m very hungry to do more and more of this stuff!! So i took part at Startify7 in Poland and won the Nasa World Wind Challenge in the same year(Link if you are curious http://www.startify7.eu/ , https://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/). Then last year i participated at the Start-Up Lab in Trento(really great experience, give it a try!) and now i’m currently involved in the School of Innovation and a project from “Fondazione Homo Ex Machina”.

    So why am i here? I want to participate because i think that this is the best opportunity to expand my network and get a “first league” experience by learning how and what the BIG players of the market are doing. I want to make new friends, compare new ideas and thoughts for a better future! Do i have the money for this adventure? Of course not. Do i really want to go? I’ll go even if i have to swim across the Atlantic Ocean!

    Done with introductions, and if you are interested or you have any question/ideas, i’ll leave you here my LinkedIn profile, https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcus-vukojevic/

    So about the article, i think that Musk is one of the most powerful icons of our generation, and as such he has to maintain a certain profile. So everything that he’s done so far is because at the end we’ll get a certain image of him. For us he’s the crazy entrepreneur that is willing to sacrifice everything he has for the sake of his vision, he doesn’t care about the rules , he’s the dreamer that against all odds reached Mars with one of his cars. So what is the result? You can trust him! You can believe in him and his vision, and this will lead to acquire new potential costumers everyday with his silly tweets(<span style=”text-decoration: underline;”>zero cost</span>). So as @michelebaldo said “the only thing that matters is that people talk about you” I think in this case really true! But at the same time, Musk by going public has to follow the rules, otherwise there’s no point of doing them right? He cannot do whatever he wants but at the same time what you gonna do if he doesn’t follow the agreement? Fire Elon Musk? You cannot fire the “company”…

    So going private or stay public? Mah, I think that staying public is the best choice.  <span class=”handle-sign”>@</span>andrea-guccione  there’s no doubt that going public has enourmous risk/costs to maintain, but i still think that staying public is the best choice. You have the majority… By giving some part of the cake to the public you can control the company a lot easier(and not discussing with every VC’s that has a share) don’t you think? The price of the shares are going up and down(expetially when Musk uses Twitter haha) but at the end the price is still rising, so both parties are winning. Why changing?

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