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  • Valentina
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    #3724

    Hi everyone!

    This is my Linkedin Profile:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/valentina-suffia-96883a122

    Cheers!

    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3690

    Here I am! 🙂

    I’m glad you didn’t take it personally @ jessinthebox96.

    As for Imperial College in London, publications can be reliable, but publications remain. I don’t believe in our system they will come very easily.

    The discourse on the cheap and the “do-it-yourself practices” as the modifications to the DNA are risky at the moment from different points of view especially the health. Let’s think about it, yesterday a child died of homemade circumcision.

    Have a nice day
    Valentina

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    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3686

    Hi everyone,

    today should be the last day of SVST.

    @ jessinthebox96 I’m sorry you took it as a personal criticism, surely I didn’t want to.

    Let me explain, I have a few time like many people living in Milan and hinterland and, therefore, for some news that seem to me less valid (Fantozzi would define them in another way :-)) I don’t even lose the time I have available. I understand that the purpose of SVST is to participate in the forum by inserting suggestions and points of view, but I also need to be light enough to criticize useless things and stay on something “scientific”. Moreover, working in Health, I believe that some messages are dangerous if they are not from certified bodies and competent people. One cannot give the microphone to everyone, it would be very dangerous if this regards to science.

    Can one still say “disagree”?

    Prof. Garlati teaches that one person can have a minority opinion; however it is essential to explain it and motivate it.

    Eugenics @ jessinthebox96 is not a new topic, comparing it to tattoos, I don’t think it’s the same. Tattoo is a design on the body, it does not change the DNA or the RNA. Tattoo is a choice, the twins did not choose to have the modified DNA but others decided for them. In my opinion, We must be careful not to put apples together with pears. Maybe one day as you say @ jessinthebox96 will be a fad, but as other SVST colleagues have pointed out, the risk is to have some average men and some super men, more resistant to the surrounding environment. Tattooing does not open this scenario. My questions are: “how will biohacking be managed? What will the scientific community say about it? What will be allowed? Will there be laws that limit the action?”

    With regard to your cue about “smart bandages”, again, we have to ask ourselves the same question: what will happen? What are the health risks?

    Art. 32 of our Constitution says something about health, if I remember correctly … 😉

    With regard to biohaching it would also be appropriate to recall from criminal law that the mutilations of the body, if permanent, are not granted in our system art.5 c.c., read this article well, it is essential to get an idea.

    This is an interesting article.

    https://www.scienzainrete.it/articolo/biohacking-de-noantri/sergio-cima/2018-06-30

    In Germany, “those who alter the DNA of other bodies on their own, without any license, can be fined or even punished with prison. ”

    This undermines the concept of DIY biology, DIY biology.

    I hope to find us for the famous “aperitivo”.

    It was a pleasure for me to read everything you wrote.

    Best wishes to all and to maiora semper.

    Valentina

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    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3681

    So here I am again, I still want to comment on your pieces 🙂

    @ jessinthebox96 about home-made technologies, I don’t really agree that I’d have fun. Lepht Anonym is not an example of what I look on Twitter.

    As for the do-it-yourself solutions, I don’t think that, having expensive healthcare would make me consider proposing a “do-it-yourself” medical treatment. Maybe it would lead me to change my culture with non-profit activities in a small way private health care.

    @davidetoniolo when you talk about biohackers you’re right, in fact everyone is free to do that he wants, but if he advertises it online it becomes dangerous. The recent cases of Blue Whale come to mind.

    @francescatomasello rightly recalls the purpose of word wide web “constructive healthy conversations online”.

    @danielafiorellino actually, with a bit of reflection, biohacking has already come to us with: pacemaker and artificial prosthesis. It has already helped many people in this sense and maybe, who knows, it will be able to help women who have suffered serious damages to their faces like Lucia Annibali.

    Perhaps we should be more aware in considering that progress can have a negative matrix, but, at fhe same time, it can actually help someone. However, I would like to emphasize that I absolutely do not agree with the methods of a “do it yourself” medicine and the method adopted by He Jiankui.

    Have a nice day.

    Valentina

    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3676

    Hi everyone,

    I’m reading your comments, really interesting.

    @davidetoniolo when you talk about the peer review process is what I mean by scientific method, obviously applied to this situation.

    @davidetoniolo when you ask yourself the question whether biohacking is acceptable I wonder how it should be regulated.

    @davidetoniolo about social imbalances, maybe these will be seen by our children or even by our grandchildren. In the past studying communication I became aware of the symbolic names with which some categories of users are called. The consumers who are the first to launch a new product are the pioneers, but sometimes, by choice, I didn’t want to be part of this circle of people who usually also face problems from the first hour.

    Yesterday in the university I went to the meeting with Jacopo Perfetti. During the discussion he argued that among the professions that are less informed about the crisis there are artists. In this regard, a colleague has explained to him that in reality, even with AI, the machine will be able to replace the human artist. Jacopo Perfetti explained that this is not the case. For example, when a person look at an exhibition he does not see a picture itself but the period breathes his life into his story. The same @davidetoniolo we can understand it with biohacking, when we intend to export this concept to a request of a child with particular physical characteristics.

    I think that we do not accept others or we do not consider them capable because they are perfect, but because they are unique, even with their imperfections.

    @francescatomasello very interesting even when you talk about freedom that I see as linked to uniqueness. As for the situation you describe of Sweden on the “down syndrome”, that has a preventive medical character. The twins born with resistance to HIV and the eugenic or biohacking issue are different. In the case of the down syndrome also in Italy they make amniocentesis and the villocentesis of choice under 35 and mandatory above 35 to put the woman and her family in a conscious condition. We should not forget the psychological and real implications of this type of choice. I understand that the discourse about the down syndrome is also very delicate, especially when it also involves a religious question.

    I ask a question to @francescatomasello and to everyone, is it just me from the 80s to think chip under the skin is stupid? I would like to understand if it is a generational discourse. I would never get a chip! I am a person with a soul and this differentiates me from the res.

    @serenavineis when you talk about wireless waves at the moment, the official science – the World Health Organization – says that there is no evidence of dangerous effects, despite the many studies done. However, as a precaution, given that it cannot yet exclude with certainty the carcinogenicity of electromagnetic radiation, it recommends using for example the mobile phone with earphones or hands-free; so in my opinion it would be strongly advised against having a subcutaneous device that could be as carcinogenic as the CRISPR-Cas9 protein.

    @ jessinthebox96 I hope that what the video says in some places may be wrong, “as soon as the first engineered kid is born, a door is opened that can’t be closed anymore” is not acceptable.

    It cannot be thought that the Pandora’s box cannot be closed or at least half-closed.

    I agree with you when you write: “Genetic engineering could be used to treat human flaws rather than medical emergencies, ending up being considered one of those commercial trends everybody seems to be attracted to.”

    I think we need to be careful when we are talking about “common standards” because we would encounter a frustrated human being, we see it in common life and above all we notice it in adolescence. The teenager feels frustrated when he realizes that he is not reflecting social models he does not have. In general the man could become a non-man.

    Have a nice day,

    Valentina

    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3643

    Hi everyone,

    I make a premise regarding the third article, I haven’t the competence to judge for or against CRISPR-Cas9.

    Some scientists say that “its malfunction exposes cells to cancer risk”.

    Not really a risk I would say recently. In this regard, I work to look for publications about it so I can share them with everyone.

    The solutions proposed are Cas X, perhaps Cas 12 etc that act both on DNA and RNA.

    I wonder if the experiments were conducted only on plants and animals for the time being.

    I’m pretty scared that this could already be proposed for humans.

    Thanks @marcopastore for pointing out the two events of iBicocca, I will certainly participate

    iKnow: Future critical thinking, facing the future with the tools of the trade scheduled for March 26th.

    Today in Bicocca for iBooks “work is invented” with Jacopo Perfetti.

    Today I read the comments on @marcopastore’s proposals of all of you, so as to get an idea and look for support material for my ideas in this regard.

    cheers.

    Valentina

    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3637

    Hi everyone,

    regarding the second article:

    Genome editing sugli embrioni: scientificamente possibile ma eticamente sconsiderato

    in the second paragraph we talk about a second pregnancy with modified DNA, but, if the genetic experiment was considered illegal by the Beijing government, this second pregnancy was conceived and previously desired.

    From the third paragraph we have Anna Cereseto point of view: biologist, researcher and director of the molecular virology laboratory of the Integrated Biology Center of University of Trento. It makes me think when Dr. Cereseto says that the development of the action of the Crispr protein at the level of embryonic development is unknown. My question is a simple one: “can such important changes be tested on human beings without knowing developments?” Do we need Beijing government to tell us it’s illegal?

    Furthermore in the 6th paragraph Dr. Cereseto clearly explains that this intervention on DNA is not prevention, but it is only, as far as I am concerned, a manifestation of “power” of those who designed the experiment. Friedrich Nietzsche comes to our aid in this regard.

     

    The superman abandons the hypocrisies of the moralists and affirms himself, placing his values before the common moral. He identifies the return to the world of Dionysian thought, driven by passions. Nietzsche is convinced of the existence of a single earthly life, linked to physical corporeality; man is therefore only a body and must let himself be guided by his own drives, thus tearing the “Veil of Maya” introduced by Schopenhauer, or the Will that oppresses the individual.

    The purpose of the superman is not placed in a transcendent, but transcendental universe that points to immanent happiness through creative ability. He is seen as the highest degree of evolution, and exercises the right given to him by strength and superiority over others. However, this right also presents itself as a duty to counter the hypocrisy of the mass and goes against the same traditional ethics of duty. The superman contrasts with “You must!” Kantian the Nietzschean “I want!”

    In the concept of superman the will to power is essential, which must be seen as a motive in the history of man. It occurs in the creation of nature as well as in social structures, and must be continually exceeded. Zarathustra is the one who makes man aware that he is only a bridge to his most complete and “human” affirmation. It is a completely moral model.

    Superomism, that is the attitude of expectation of higher human types, was not however an absolute novelty introduced by Nietzsche. For example, already an author beloved by Nietzsche, Ralph Waldo Emerson, inspired by the cult of the heroes of Thomas Carlyle, spoke of a varied series of idealized human figures such as “great men”, “representative men”, “the Poet”, the “Thinker” the “demigod” but also the man of the power and of the superabundance of life, which Emerson called plus man in the wise power.

    In his work Thus Spoke Zarathustra (Also sprach Zarathustra) Nietzsche explains the three steps that the human being must follow to become superman (man of the overcoming):

    • possess a constructive will capable of questioning established ideals;

    • overcome nihilism, through tragic joy and the recovery of the will to power;

    • perpetually perpetuate and promote the process of creation and regeneration of values by embracing the new and inhuman moral dimension of “amor fati”, which outlines a joyful and healthy love for eternity in every aspect of its terrible, chaotic and problematic.

    As Dr. Cereseto maintains, this thoughtless experiment in ways, and probably also in time, leaves room for adverse reactions, I would add “strongly adverse”.

     

    Cheers.

    Valentina

    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3628

    Hi everyone,

    here I am after a few days! Sorry, I’ve had stuff to do, even if, to tell the truth, I immediately read the new topic of @marcopastore’s debate and I thought it was a heavy one.

    Starting from the first article:

    first paragraph, the methodological approach is questioned – in this regard “the discourse on the method” of Descartes came to my mind. I believe that the scientific community has a method used by all the associates in preparing hypotheses to reach theses that must be validated.

    Any scientific experiment must be replicable by nature.

    The aspect of the repeatability of an experiment is fundamental, in this case we are not talking about the uniform rectilinear motion or gravity, but the repeatability of an experiment on humans.

    Let’s talk about life and res cogitans.

    Can we communicate such important results with a video on youtube not supported by written material?!? I’d be curious to see this video by He Jiankui …

    Furthermore, reading the second paragraph criticizing the lack of scientific literature, it is stated:

    “as recommended by the National Academy of Sciences, the use of genetic editing in human embryos should be allowed if there is a clear medical need”.

    I wonder why the National Academy of Sciences can only give “recommendations”: in some cases like this in my opinion we should give a clear “no”. And then what would be the “medical need”? HIV resilience? What is the price to pay? What are these twins going to face in their lives?

    I agree with Benanti when he stresses the precautionary principle, how can an experiment involving human life be carried out and then run away?

    Regarding the “equality and freedom” part, I would like to clarify that the art. 3 of our constitutional charter insists very much on this aspect. In the case of genetically modified subjects, how are we going to say “equal”? Already at inception we would begin life disadvantaged even in the most optimistic case that they only have genetically improved aspects.

    Eugenetica was also spoken in the past, in this regard I can think of numerous films like Gattaca – The door to the universe and the experiments during the Second World War signed by Mengele.

    In short – you got to be joking!

    With my considerations I will describe the second and third articles tomorrow so as not to make the reading too heavy.

    Cheers!

    Valentina

    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3524

    Hi everyone,

    while we have written our evaluations on the technology of the new Smartphone models, look at this beautiful 18-karat wristwatch:

    Nubia Alpha: uno smartphone da polso da 18 carati | MWC 2019

    wowww!

    Good day!

    cheers.

    Valentina

    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3520

    Hi everyone,

    how are you today?

    @davidetoniolo about the Led lights on the Clio I agree, but I think these small, but useful progress steps must reach everyone and this will certainly also have an impact on running costs for the car.

    I agree with you when you write about the Chinese privacy model, if it’s okay with them, it’s okay with everyone. We must not globalize the models of culture, but is it possible in 2019 to choose what to globalize and what not?

    @gianlucabelloni I think as well that Musk needs a little more time for autonomous driving 😉

    @gianlucabelloni when you talk about the police but I am not convinced that it is good to automatically move left or right independently without a prior opinion expressed and not because it is unfair, but because we still need to think independently about the reality that surrounds us.

    @serenavineis thanks for sharing the report movie, tonight I will watch it carefully.

    What you write about marine pollution is true. We should take great care of the environment and if it would be good to have better solutions based on AI. @davidetoniolo it is very sad what is happening in Iceland.

    Cheers.

    Valentina

    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3515

    Hi everyone,

    @ jessinthebox96 thanks for your suggestions and your ideas, I saw Obama movie and it’s terrible!

    As for the “perfect flatmate” we are at the paradox, in my opinion human nature tends to find faults even in the face of optimal situations, but maybe I will be wrong …

    Thank you @serenavineis for your evaluation of the situation of the “makerlaw” in the future 😉

    @francescatomasello about the hidden-city-ticketing do you have any right to not pay three air tickets Milan-Barcelona from April 26 to May 2, 457 euros?  My friend with equal number of people, same period, same route paid 290 euro because he booked a month ago! Don’t you think that the trick of booking before and pay less is unfair?!?

    @serenavineis is true when you write that Italy has many resources and good characteristics, but unfortunately it does not have the innovation, I think the same.

    @ jessinthebox96 @serenavineis we will have to get used to new artistic forms initiated by technology: from painting to music as the case of Symphony No 8 by Schubert. Perhaps even literature and history will undergo changes with the GAN.

    @francescatomasello I don’t know German, hahaha! 🙂

    Cheers

    Valentina

     

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    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3473

    Hi everyone,

    @gianlucabelloni I also think that this sector will be growing exactly as in latu sensu that of wellness, such as the figure of personal trainer.

    @danielafiorellino I watched the video you shared on the artificial “presenter”. You’re right, it’s disturbing! It feels so real. Will the presenter be standardized or will the programmers develop it further adding physical imperfections, expressive traits to make it more “human”?

    @danielafiorellino I believe that the artificial moon is nonsense. Sometimes we should ask ourselves if some inventions are really useful. I recently discovered that the request to keep the headlights turned on in our cars is just business, so we use more petrol throughout the year. About 40 lt more for year. Does it seem legit to pay 10 cents for the fruit bag at the supermarket?

    I don’t want to make a political speech, but unfortunately I understand that then it becomes such.

    I conceive of the human as being res cogitantes.

    @francescatomasello if you give me more information on the “hidden-city ticketing” case that involved Lufthansa I can do a de-jure search on it.

    @francescatomasello when you write about the US-China relationship, I think: “globalization”.

    Years ago while I was studying at IULM I read Naomi Klein’s book “No logo”. The title “No logo” should not be read literally as a slogan, but it is the attempt to express a position contrary to the politics of multinational corporations. No logo is an analysis of the history of brand management techniques and its repercussions on the dynamics of work.  Naomi Klein says that in the last twenty years a radical change in capitalism would have taken place: if the phase of commodity production was central, now the latter becomes marginal and negligible, while more and more forces and money are being brand and on the proposal of a series of intangible and ideal values to be connected to it (branding), with the aim of creating its own slice of monopoly. The huge monetary resources that these strategies require derive from the savings on production, which is dislocated in Third World countries where the company can exploit the labor force with impunity. In this context, an in-depth analysis of the reality of the Export Processing Zones of Asia and Latin America is presented (including an account of a journalist’s visit to the EPZ of Cavite), in which most of the companies to which the big brands international (Nike, Reebok, Adidas, Disney etc.) subcontract much of their production activity.

    Let’s think about it!

    This is also happening for the technology sector.

    Cheers.

    Valentina

    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3471

    Hi everyone,

    how fast you are, guys?!? So many Speedy Gonzales! 🙂

    This time I would like to proceed backwards, starting from the last propose of @serenavineis.

    Samsung would like to become the new leader, but in my opinion between Huawei and Apple will be tough. I never had a Samsung phone, but my friend always buys new Samsung phones, I will not give you the bad news that this new game will cost 2000 euros 😉

    @serenavineis I saw the official launch movie:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=90&v=7r_UgNcJtzQ

    Galaxy Fold is fantastic!

    It is easy to outline some aspects of the launch campaign that is outlined as: emotional, adult target, well-off and certainly a female profile 😉 The notes of Joanna Wang play with “Pure Imagination” are “Wow”!

    the Galaxy portfolio has a wider and stronger appeal comparing with the last two years.

    The new design with key features such as the Infinity O Display, the three-camera system and the ultrasound scanner for fingerprints will capture with no doubts the interest of the first users of technology and consumers who want a model that differs from the past ones.

    I am positively impressed by the way Samsung is paying more and more attention to the overall experiences.

    The partnership with Instagram for camera mode and with Adobe for video editing on devices shows, not only the ability to bring other brands into the ecosystem, but also greater attention to make life easier for users. The business model of Apple comes to mind in this regard. 😉

    Cheers.

    Valentina

    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3465

    Hi guys!

    @danielafiorellino, the videos you shared are interesting, actually the question you ask is clear: are we effectively res cogitans in such a perfect way? In case we had to choose to save our life or that of five people, are we sure we would choose the latter?

    @francescatomasello thanks for sharing the video on Asimov, the questions you ask on Apple are even right: “how can a monopolistic institution be a guarantor for everyone?”

    @peppuz the site you shared shows how, “fatta la legge, trovato l’inganno” hahahah!

    @peppuz it is fascinating to read you, because even if I’m a smart person all these details are gold to me, thank you!

    @peppuz @davidetoniolo I’ll go to see Durov’s Channel 😉

    @davidetoniolo when you write: “A thing that I really can not stand up for their opinions” you’re right, I can not stand them, but you know without bothering the NLP my father rightly says: ” ignorance and presumption always go hand in hand “. The first impression hits in four seconds and unfortunately it is difficult to change your mind. Furthermore, what @davidetoniolo reports from Forbes: “And it’s not just college kids; you can find examples of the Dunning-Kruger Effect everywhere. One study of high-tech firms discovered that 32-42% of software engineers rated their skills as being in the top 5% of their companies. A nationwide survey found that 21% of Americans believe that it’s ‘very likely’ or ‘fairly likely’ that they’ll become millionaires within the next 10 years. Drivers consistently rate themselves above average. Medical technicians overestimate their knowledge in real-world lab procedures. 68% rated themselves in the top 25% for teaching ability, and more than 90% rated themselves above the average (I’m sure you’ll notice it is mathematically impossible) ”

    I think a lot …

    In my opinion, some attitudes are also the fruit of a culture of “happiness”: we want to be smart, intelligent, capacious etc. Always first in class! Where is Nietzsche?!? Ahahah!

    @davidetoniolo even I’m confident that I’m in the top 25% skilled drivers! 😉

    @serenavineis I think that the battle between USA and China will be won by China, but I hope that their working model does not affect ours. I don’t know what is the future of jobs, but “riders” is not a job! Where are the rights?

    It would be nice @francescatomasello to go together to the Milan Digital Week! 😉

    Today during my lunch break I was in University (I’ll have to recover tonight staying more at work … uff!), I followed the first lesson of the second semester of “history of medieval and modern law”.

    I would like to share with you two thoughts, the first is “only” a song:

    the second thought is the usefulness of the “jurists” in a 5.0 world. In fact, lawmakers will be needed to issue rules, to give rights to those who do not have them, to create a just society. Lawmakers to govern the new technology.

    So I hope that in addition to @peppuz one day you need me too 😉

    Thank you for reading, even though today I have been long.

    Cheers,

    Valentina

    Valentina
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    @valentina
    #3458

    Hi guys,

     

    I’m trying to make some considerations based on what I’m reading.

     

    @ jessinthebox96 I like your article on the evaluation of the test and on the polarization and the information on Instagram that sees us involved based on the topics we speak about Whatsapp. Thank you, from today I will take care of it.

     

    I also take this opportunity to thank everyone because with this forum I’m learning a lot.

     

    @davidetoniolo I also think that, for so much advanced technology, it will always have loopholes and blindnesses.

     

    @francescatomasello thanks again for the advice on Bit, I had already thanked you in the last article, but reflecting everyone here we are interested in going to Silicon Valley :-)))

     

     

    @francescatomasello @peppuz I have always used Telegram to spend with colleagues the recordings of lessons in university, now also happy hour 😉

     

     

    @ jessinthebox96 I liked to read your post again on Moral Machine, I think we need different points of view, both technicians and people with other skills, and maybe we can make a fair balance of interests to get better solutions for everything . I think this forum is also for this, I love the lateral thinking and also at the guide we have to make the foreseeable unforeseen and this as an ex ante strategy. In this regard, insurances who knows how they will move, how the national parliaments will legislate, how we think about road accidents, how they will make us pay RC.

     

    Tell me what you think. Will we have to make sure for everything? people, bikes etc. included.

     

    How much will we pay for these insurances? based on gender, skin color, age.

     

    Goodbye art. 3 Cost! can the principle of equality be revised?

     

     

    @gianlucabelloni and open to all, I think that if MZ is successful in this enterprise of union we should ask ourselves if the situation of monopolist is actually acceptable. The antitrust will intervene, right?

     

    Maybe after the Telegram @peppuz group we can create a business, maybe app or similar among the members of this forum group. I tell you, then think about it …

     

    Cheers,

     

    Valentina

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